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Poster: Not2Cheeky Date: Mar 16, 2012 7:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Prophet Rumor

In the late eighties I was at a show and someone asked me before the set started, if I ever heard the rumor that there was a prophet in the band. I hadn't. I recently heard the rumor again, with regards to it being Jerry Garcia. Can anyone else confirm having also heard a similiar rumor and if so, please elaborate. This is really of interest to me. Thank you so much.

Shona

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Mar 16, 2012 8:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Prophet Rumor

You mean like Old Testament? The Book of Jerome? But I think prophets prophecise, and that wasn't exactly Jerry's schtick. Maybe what you heard was that Brent was using a Prophet Synthesizer.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffbeep* Date: Mar 16, 2012 8:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Prophet Rumor

Ahh. I always dreamed of owning one but could not afford it.
But now I have the virtual version on my mac.

http://www.synthfind.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/P4240005.jpg

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Mar 17, 2012 9:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Prophet Rumor

Ah, The Spinners? Jerry is Jesus? Jeez, my young and searching befuddled better half almost joined their little cult. She recently went out to see yet another crap GD cover band with a woman (M. Fabin if any of you reformed Spinners are reading this) who did buy into the whole Spinners deal. I remember M.'s Orthodox parents were so happy with that.

I will say that Spinners got into every show for free and so quietly. They took D. in several times, but never me. I think it was a recruiting tool. The Spinners creeped me out more then the Vermont commune folks: and for those who know what I'm talking about, that is saying a lot.

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Poster: jgIynn1.2 Date: Mar 19, 2012 1:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Prophet Rumor

Vermont commune folks

LOL

Are you a spinner or a twirler?

P.S. Had a great sail yesterday!! Pic is us heading WNW in a SSW 10-13 kt breeze, we are east of the Robert Moses bridge which is part of the bridge in pic.



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Poster: vapors Date: Mar 18, 2012 9:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Prophet Rumor

Ah Micah, so much I could say, but I’ve kept it to myself here thus far, so why bother?
But I could share an expose about getting into shows with the Spinners… any interest?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Mar 18, 2012 11:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Prophet Rumor

Please share v. Collecting half ticket stubs and something? Share it all. It was so long ago, who cares but us looking back at a memories. Did you know M. Fabian?

You aren't around as much anymore v. :-(

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Poster: vapors Date: Mar 18, 2012 1:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Prophet Rumor

I will post about it – probably draw some flak, but I think the ticket thing was an interesting aspect of tour life.

Re: M - Yes I do, but it has been many years since we last hung out. Give her my best (if you know my name.)
And I am here every day; I just don’t have that much to say. :)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 18, 2012 1:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Prophet Rumor

Hey D--please, do tell...would love to hear more.

I have to assume this happened post 70s? IE, I missed out for that reason? Or, per usual, my own inability to see what was right in front of my face?

I am not even sure you're speaking about the folks we termed "twirlers", so that's how much I have to learn...

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Poster: vapors Date: Mar 18, 2012 2:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Prophet Rumor

The 'spinner family' sprung up on tour in the mid eighties. They didn't have exclusive rights to the act of twirling, and there was much more to their sad story than dancing, but since you asked so nicely I will post about the ticket thing. ;)

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Poster: utopian Date: Mar 19, 2012 11:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Please.... More

how did they get in?

I was just sharing stories about the spinners that made me fall over laughing; this guy I just met said the spinners hated him!! He was from Ny and looked like an average Joe. He said they corralled him at Nassau or msg and were spinning him through their crowd, they veered him out one of the exit doors and slammed it...they put him out of the show!

I was on a greyhound with a rather disaffected and lovely former spinner girl. She was with the leader of the group for a while but said it as a cult.

http://www.archive.org/post/90484/that-would-be-something
Funny post by bluedevil and the highlights
When asked how he felt about the Jerry is God phenomena, Garcia responded with characteristic humor, "Anybody who thinks I'm God should talk to my kids." Did he mind being the focal point of a religious group? "Well, I'll put up with it until they come for me with the cross and the nails."

Any more stories?
Or any other interesting subgroups?


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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 20, 2012 8:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Prophet Rumor -plate of shrimp

The Spinners would have made a fun double bill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXcFFNx0_g8

In today's email from wolfgang's:

http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/the-spinners/concerts/latin-casino-march-19-1977-early-show.html?utm_source=NL&;utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=120320

This post was modified by bluedevil on 2012-03-20 15:49:21

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Mar 17, 2012 8:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Book on Deadhead anthropology (wherein the Spinners pray for Bob)

Plus they apparently worshipped Brent's songwriting. That does go over the line.

"Jerry's songs, as well as Brent's songs, are considered enlightening for the most part, while most of Bobby's songs are concerned with partying or women. 'Bobby has to stop writing heathen songs,' says Stephanie, '... talk about lyrics! Pray for that man!'"

-- from a chapter on the Spinners in Deadhead Social Science: You Ain't Gonna Learn What You Don't Want to Know

I'd never seen this book before. Apparently the writers were mostly anthropology students who were also Deadheads, and the one who wrote the Spinner part ended up "going native." Apparently the Spinners had a kind of Jerry vs Bob cosmology ...

http://books.google.com.np/books?id=3RLp8b9eu5gC&;pg=PT132&lpg=PT132&dq=spinners+grateful+dead+%22unlimited+devotion%22&source=bl&ots=LS84vsUXg4&sig=oWfeqR-Zc6A1d-1Eh4bsTDKKUEs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0EdlT4STDImrrAfKhaS9Bw&sqi=2&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=spinners%20grateful%20dead%20%22unlimited%20devotion%22&f=false



This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2012-03-18 03:46:53

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Mar 17, 2012 9:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Book on Deadhead anthropology (wherein the Spinners pray for Bob)

At Greensboro '89 there was a young lady who I was very interested in (not Mrs. m) who was involved w/ the Spinners, but their connection felt all murky and weird. (I had about 80 red flags up by this point about these folks in general, but darn it, she was mighty cute). So, she refused to acknowledge any Bobby tune. She sat down and had a conversation (today use your phone). I felt like I couldn't participate in BW's tunes. It sucked. I made out the first night, but when GD cranked up Bucket on night two I was gone. It was a short courtship.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Mar 17, 2012 9:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Book on Deadhead anthropology (wherein the Spinners pray for Bob)

I think Greensboro '89 is part of where they did the research for the anthro book. You could have been part of some participatory research, but no, you had to go over to the Dark Bob Side ...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Mar 18, 2012 7:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Book on Deadhead anthropology (wherein the Spinners pray for Bob)

One of the most profound artistic statements ever made.

http://tinyurl.com/3b2u2e8

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Mar 18, 2012 8:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Book on Deadhead anthropology (wherein the Spinners pray for Bob)

You only say that cuz you ditched the Spinner babe for Deb, who I believe has shown signs of being a confirmed Bobbist.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Mar 17, 2012 4:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Prophet Rumor

not2cheeky? shona? are you kidding? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Mar 17, 2012 4:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Prophet Rumor

oh you mean not2cheezy , morona!

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Poster: Not2Cheeky Date: Mar 17, 2012 12:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Prophet Rumor

What's up with the Keysers?

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Mar 16, 2012 8:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Prophet Rumor

Jerry Garcia interview;

Raddison Hotel St Paul Minnesota 07/10/81

http://www.archive.org/details/jg1981-07-10-Interview.shnf

Disk 1

1. Intro>reckogning album> 03:06
2. Song Selections for acoustic sets> 01:27
3. Filming of Dead Ahead and other film projects> 04:08
4. Dead Set record> 01:10
5. 15 years so far> 01:18
6. Writing with Robert Hunter> 02:55
7. Working without a net> 03:26
8. The addition of Brent to the band> 00:55
9. Jerry on tapping shows! 01:05
10. Venue breakdowns> 02:06
11. Unbroken Chain?/Jerry's car> 01:13
12. Working without a net reprise> 03:01
13. Unbroken chain rehearsal tapes> 03:50
14. Improvisation vs. formula> 03:22
15. Looking forward to 1982> 03:09
16. Have you heard about Deadbase? 01:20
17. Introductions of freaks> 00:15
18. Jerry on the Midwest> 01:54
19> Jerry smokes a jay> 02:19
20. Is the Uptown Theatre (in Chicago) Closed? 03:30

Disk 2

1. /Getting Althea right> 02:02
2. Here's the jay> 04:57
3. Bobby Wierd> 03:19
4. Touring across America> 04:25
5. Working with Phil and Micky> 04:30
6. Flying to gigs> 04:29
7. Pat calls for backstage passes> 01:49
8. Jerry bums a smoke> 02:58
9. Iko Iko and other song's mysteries> 03:22
10. Jerry on world events> 02:52
11. "This is not the right world for our trip"> 03:11
12. We got to get going 01:07
13. Althea/ (1981-07-10) 05:55

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Mar 17, 2012 6:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What a Great Jerry "Interview" Tape!

Hmmm, not sure how that relates to Prophet Rumors, but that's a great listen! It's particularly fun when you realize it's actually just a group of guys who wanted to hang with Jerry and made up the part about being with a college radio station, LOL.

A few little highlights:

Jerry talks about Cornell (5/16/81) and the Nobody’s Fault jam; apparently he went up to the mic to sing ... and he wasn't even going to sing the words to that song, just something else it had reminded him of. But then he realized Weir didn't know that one. Wonder what it was.

He talks at another point about changes in Eyes related to Brent’s joining the band (and also related to them not remembering a minor-chord part they used to do at the end well enough to teach him, or something to that effect).

He says nice things about the atmosphere at the Uptown for those who remember that place fondly.

The "interviewers" talk about having liked Althea in the second set. Jerry says that’s a good idea and he might put it there again – and actually, that’s where it ends up being a few hours later during that night's show!

I haven’t heard that show, but I'm going to give it a listen right now. The 2nd set looks really neat: UJB>Playin>China Doll>Playin>UJB ...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd81-07-10.nak300.munder.7314.sbeok.shnf

Btw there's a story on Deadnet from one of the guys in the hotel room for the "interview." Apparently it was just a clever plan on their part to meet Jerry, successfully pulled off! The guy provides a thoughtful reflection on how really generous Jerry was with his fans and how comfortable he made them feel.

http://www.dead.net/show/july-10-1981



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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Mar 17, 2012 8:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What a Great Jerry 'Interview' Tape!

Hadn't though about this show in years and years until this week.
Just listed to the first set (plus) at the end of the workday yesterday. Looking forward to finishing the rest of the show first thing Mon morn.
:-)
Hope all is well on the other side of the planet!

Ah... synchronicity

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 16, 2012 8:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Prophet Rumor

yes, and he died for your sins.
... or maybe that was the years of a shitty diet and smack



Jerry: I was raised a Catholic so it’s very hard for me to get out of that way of thinking. Fundamentally I’m a Christian in that I believe that to love your enemy is a good idea somehow. Also, I feel that I’m enclosed within a Christian framework so huge that I don’t believe it’s possible to escape it, it’s so much a part of the western point of view. So I admit it, and I also believe that real christianity is okay. I just don’t like the exclusivity clause.

But as far as God goes, I think that there is a higher order of intelligence something along the lines of whatever it is that makes the DNA work. Whatever it is that keeps our bodies functioning and our cells changing, the organizing principle – whatever it is that created all these wonderful life-forms that we’re surrounded by in its incredible detail.

There’s definitely a huge vast wisdom of some kind at work here. Whether it’s personal – whether there’s a point of view in there, or whether we’re the point of view, I think is up for discussion. I don’t believe in a supernatural being.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Mar 17, 2012 2:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Prophet Rumor

You heard right, but your spelling is off. They said there was profit in the band. Certainly true by the late 80s ...

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Poster: bailey-g Date: Mar 17, 2012 9:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Prophet Rumor

 

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